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With the title After the Shipwreck. The Cinema of Aki Kaurismäki (1983-1996), The Museo Reina Sofia proposed in 2014 the first retrospective of the Finnish filmmaker in a museum of modern art. This interview, written as a conversation, reveals some of the keys to his films: the existential desolation mixed with parody and black humour, gritty realism revised by quotes and fable, an ethic but nihilistic gaze to society and above all, unwavering belief in cinema as a space of freedom.

For most of its existence, the museum has done the exact opposite. Far from recognising the tension between the inscrutability of meaning and the opening to another language in the modern art work, the museum has watered it down to a contemplation that has become an auratic ritual frozen in a distant past. Dos lecturas sobre la colección (Two readings on the collection), along with La Colección Reescrita (Rewriting The Collection) represents an attempt to reintroduce the staging of diverse timeframes and heterogeneous periods involving the historical narrative and its own materiality within the museum. In so far as it is an institution that orders objects, artefacts, documents and the relationships between these things and the public in a series of narrations, the museum must consider not only which stories it is to tell, but also what devices to employ for their narration.

Interview produced during "For Those Of Us Who Enjoy Working". Workshops on precariousness and self-organization in "creative" work, organized by Traficantes de Sueños, YProductions, Casa Invisible, Universidad Nómada and Museo Reina Sofía. María PTQK is a cultural producer, independent researcher, a consultant at the Universitat Oberta de Catalunya, and coordinator of projects with the collective Amasté.

Interview produced during "For Those Of Us Who Enjoy Working". Workshops on precariousness and self-organization in "creative" work, organized by Traficantes de Sueños, YProductions, Casa Invisible, Universidad Nómada and Museo Reina Sofía. Felipe G. Gil is a member of Zemos98, a cultural management collective that works in the fields of networked society, remix culture, and experimentation with formats.

Interview produced during "For Those Of Us Who Enjoy Working". Workshops on precariousness and self-organization in "creative" work, organized by Traficantes de Sueños, YProductions, Casa Invisible, Universidad Nómada and Museo Reina Sofía. Jara Rocha is coordinator of special projects at Medialab-Prado, a space oriented towards production, research and dissemination of digital culture and of the area of confluence between art, science, technology and society.

Interview produced during "For Those Of Us Who Enjoy Working". Workshops on precariousness and self-organization in "creative" work, organized by Traficantes de Sueños, YProductions, Casa Invisible, Universidad Nómada and Museo Reina Sofía. Hackitectura is a collective of architects, hackers and social activists who experiment with networks, public space and physical bodies.

Interview produced during "For Those Of Us Who Enjoy Working". Workshops on precariousness and self-organization in "creative" work, organized by Traficantes de Sueños, YProductions, Casa Invisible, Universidad Nómada and Museo Reina Sofía.